In this episode of Inside Counterintelligence (IWP Podcast), Professor John Quattrocki sits down with Paul Kepp, a new IWP faculty member and former senior CIA operations officer with decades of experience in the Directorate of Operations, much of it overseas.

The conversation opens on a timely question: Congress is weighing sharply different visions for what the U.S. counterintelligence program should look like going forward. John and Paul dig into how earlier reforms and hard lessons are resurfacing in today’s debate, including post-9/11 reviews and the 2005 Silberman-Robb Commission’s role in shaping how the U.S. thinks about counterintelligence and domestic intelligence.

This episode, “Myths vs Reality in U.S. Counterintelligence,” traces the evolution of CI through technical collection and oversight, including Venona’s lasting implications, why FISA uses orders rather than warrants, and how 9/11 plus the rise of the internet and mobile telephony changed the practical and legal realities of collection.

Learn more about the speakers:
Professor John Quattrocki (IWP bio): www.iwp.edu/faculty/john-j-quattrocki/
Paul Kepp (IWP bio): www.iwp.edu/faculty/paul-kepp/

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